Soulfulness, Mandela Effects and Reality Shifts

The Power of Soulfulness

There is an amazing connection between soulfulness, Mandela Effect and reality shifts.

I’ve been re-reading a book by Jacob Needleman, I Am Not I.  A key idea in this book is that Jacob Needleman has written a book about his older self, Jacob, meeting his younger self, Jerry.  The idea here is that different levels of self can–and often do–interact.  This book delves into the concept of soulfulness; it plays with the very concept of true self identity.

Awakening the Sleepwalkers

What Needleman recalls that Gurdjieff recommended most often to everyone was to:

“remember yourself always and everywhere.”

That’s a tall order, because following this directive really takes us out of our sense of self-definition by measurables.  In the realm of measurables, we might think, for example, “I’ve been a teacher for this many years,” or “I’m a student at this level,” or “I earned this many dollars,” or “I’m married,” or “I’m divorced.”

These types of measurable statements might be considered to be accurate descriptors of yourself, but somehow they don’t get to the core of a sense of intense “I-ness.”  There is an intense, transformative “I Am” quality.  When you have this intense quality, you know it.

Loving the Universe

Jacob Needleman writes about the necessity of loving the universe in his book, I Am Not I.

For myself, I feel a necessity of feeling reverence, which is a combination for me of love and real respect–respect at a very real, divine quality.  What Jacob Needleman and I share is that there has to be some level of divinity–of God.  There has to be some recognition of grand ideas, big ideas, good ideas.  This corresponds with my current fascination with the question, “How good can it get?”

The Power of Soulfulness

What happens next is that when we go there when we keep remembering that soulfulness–when we allow ourselves to go there–I’ve observed over and over again that reality shifts occur.  Our needs definitely will be met.

I notice myself in one state of measuring and observing–then I can drift my mind, and I notice that “I am”… with a grand sense of timelessness, infinite, soulfulness, meaning, purpose, value, and reverence.

From there, I’m not making small wishes of things I wish for my own comfort, but instead I’m getting to a place of recognizing that all my needs are being met.  They have always been met.  And when I give back by choosing to be of service to the highest, greatest place of goodness that I can possibly imagine, then indeed I do find out how good it can get.

I invite you to watch the companion video to this blog post at:

 

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Cynthia Sue Larson is the best-selling author of six books, including Quantum Jumps. Cynthia has a degree in Physics from UC Berkeley, and discusses consciousness and quantum physics on numerous shows including the History Channel, Gaia TV, Coast to Coast AM, the BBC and One World with Deepak Chopra and on the Living the Quantum Dream show she hosts. You can subscribe to Cynthia’s free monthly ezine at: http://www.RealityShifters.com

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The Truth About Men’s Intuition

Julia Mossbridge

Culturally, we assume there is such a thing as women’s intuition, and we might also presume women feel more excited than men about being right–but according to one researcher’s studies, these assumptions are not necessarily true.

Dr. Julia Mossbridge has co-authored a paper, “Predicting the Unpredictable,” investigating the fascinating realm of Predictive Anticipatory Activity (PAA), about the way researchers can record physiological evidence of a person’s physiological changes–such as in the cardiopulmonary, skin, and/or nervous systems–in advance of the occurrence of a stimulus. What is being studied is thus not so much a person’s conscious awareness of “knowing the future” or assertion of premonitions, so much as their unconscious physiological reactions based in the autonomic and central nervous systems.

At the recent Science and NonDuality (SAND) conference held in San Jose, California, Mossbridge showed slides depicting the way men and women respond very differently to participating in an experiment in which their task is to guess which picture will be shown next, as randomly selected by a computer program after they’ve made their selection. When participants balked, saying something like, “I don’t know what picture will be chosen next!” Mossbridge reassured them, replying, “I know! That would be weird, right? But that’s what this study is about.”

A recent meta-analysis indicates that the human body can apparently detect randomly delivered stimuli occurring 1–10 s in the future (Mossbridge etal., 2012).

 

Unconsciously Sensing Future Events

The premise here is that sometimes we may unconsciously sense when a predator arrives, just before it actually approaches within striking distance. And sometimes you might get a sense that it’s time to shut a computer game you’re playing, just before your boss walks into your cubicle.We could benefit from clear evolutionary advantages if it’s true that our unconscious physical awareness is able to pick up advance ripples of such significant future events.

We can thus ask the question if, much in the same way that we’d feel turbulence in a raft floating down a river just before we reach an obstacle in the path of the river’s flow, is it possible that we can feel advance “ripples” prior to actual occurrence of significant events?

Figure 1. Examples of data that would be coded with a negative (A) and a positive (B) sign for the effect size.

 

Different Patterns for Men and Women

In her talk at the 2015 San Jose SAND, Julia Mossbridge shared findings from a meta analysis study she conducted in 2012, “Predictive Physiological Anticipation Preceding Seemingly Unpredictable Stimuli: A Meta-Analysis.” Intriguingly, men and women’s abilities to demonstrate physiological evidence of advance awareness of coming events occurs in opposing patterns. Namely, men’s responses include higher physiological arousal more consistently both before and after they find out whether or not their guess as to which of four pictures would be selected is shown to be correct. When showing undergraduate students a series of visual images in randomized order, Mossbridge noted that men and women show very different and readily distinguishable differences in galvanic skin response and heart rate before and after their non-conscious awareness indicates recognition of an image. Men became additionally aroused to find that somehow, their bodies “knew” what images would flash next, and demonstrated an opposite pattern from women, who were not so excited to find out they’d somehow tuned into the future.

 

Are We “Conscious Puppets”?

In her talk at SAND, Mossbridge pointed out how interesting it is that we are not aware of what it is to be anything other than ourselves. This may seem to be a trivial point, but indeed it is not. While we may be vaguely aware of levels of our awareness that are non-conscious, we sometimes have difficulty reconciling just how strongly the non-conscious “puppet-master” may be moving our “conscious puppet” selves.

Mossbridge pointed out that we might well wonder whether there is anything “we” can do to bridge the gap, which immediately presents us with the question, “Who is ME?” Am I the puppet? Or am I the puppetmaster? She concluded her SAND talk by saying that how you answer who you think you are answers the question about bridging the gap.

 

What Julia Mossbridge Knows for Sure

I was honored to meet with Julia Mossbridge and ask him what he feels he knows for sure that most people aren’t aware of, that could greatly benefit the world. You can see in her response to my question in this YouTube video.

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Cynthia Sue Larson is the best-selling author of six books, including Quantum Jumps. Cynthia has a degree in Physics from UC Berkeley, and hosts Living the Quantum Dream on the DreamVisions7 radio network. She discusses consciousness and quantum physics on numerous shows including the History Channel, Coast to Coast AM, the BBC and One World with Deepak Chopra. You can subscribe to Cynthia’s free monthly ezine at: http://www.RealityShifters.com

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Experiencing Science and Nonduality

Sean O’Nuallain with Henry Stapp and Cynthia Sue Larson at SAND US 2015

Aware of Being Aware

The atmosphere at this year’s Science and Nonduality (SAND) US conference was relaxed and energized, with a friendly, easy-going, inquisitive vibe. With dozens of speakers presenting talks and workshops in six different rooms and additional areas–including an outdoor dome–SAND provided a veritable smorgasbord of ideas and experiences. The theme at this conference was “On the edge of the (un)known,” graphically portrayed on the main stage backdrop and on conference program books with the image of a person standing atop a rolling 3D topographical map hill and looking up at the stars.

Held at the Dolce Hayes Mansion in San Jose, California, and attracting hundreds of attendees, this sixth annual conference in the USA filled four days with dawn-to-dusk opportunities to participate in hands-on activities. SAND’s mission is “to forge a new paradigm in spirituality, one that is not dictated by religious dogma, but that is rather based on timeless wisdom traditions of the world, informed by cutting-edge science, and grounded in direct experience,” and it succeeds in creating a welcoming atmosphere for meeting new friends and old who share a common interest in the place where science and spirit meet.

I enjoyed attending many wonderful sessions, taking 56 pages of notes, and spending hours talking with friends and colleagues about the high points of some of the sessions I was unable to attend. There were often at least six concurrent sessions happening simultaneously, making it impossible to see all of everything–and sometimes with so much going on, it was nice to enjoy good food, company, and drink, often with live music nearby.

Thought-Provoking Talks

Julia Mossbridge

I greatly enjoyed attending Julia Mossbridge‘s talk about her ground-breaking precognitive research studies at Northwestern University. When showing undergraduate students a series of visual images in randomized order, Mossbridge noted that men and women show very different and readily distinguishable differences in galvanic skin response and heart rate before and after their non-conscious awareness indicates recognition of an image. Men became additionally aroused to find that somehow, their bodies “knew” what images would flash next, and demonstrated an opposite pattern from women, who were not so excited to find out they’d somehow tuned into the future. Mossbridge pointed out how interesting it is that we actually are not aware of what it is to be anything other than ourselves. This may seem to be a trivial point, but indeed it is not. While we may be vaguely aware of levels of our awareness that are non-conscious, we sometimes have difficulty reconciling just how strongly the non-conscious “puppet-master” is moving our “conscious puppet” selves. I’ll be sharing more from Dr. Mossbridge in a future post, since she was so kind as to grace me with an interview where she shared what she knows for sure that most people don’t realize, that can positively change the world.

Donald Hoffman‘s talk about “Conscious Agents” presented his approach to viewing perception and consciousness through the lens of an Evolutionary Interface Theory. Hoffman’s big idea that came to him after years of research in perceptual studies is that all of true reality is something we presume to know, while research continues to show that actually we never see any such “true” reality, but instead only ever actually experience a kind of perceptual interface–something akin to the desktop on our computer in which various icons for folders and trash represent something of deeper levels of complexity that we need not trouble ourselves to fully comprehend.

Hoffman’s colleague, Chetan Prakash, presented a talk on the two fundamental elements of “Conscious Realism” that provide a basis by which Hoffman’s theory can best be understood: Universal Darwinism in which the fittest survive not for best seeing and knowing the truth, but rather when best interfacing with required resources; and Bayesian Inference in which possibilities are constantly evaluating probabilities based on current information.

Henry Stapp

Henry Stapp‘s talk “On the Nature of Things,” was unquestionably the most referenced by other speakers on a wide variety of stages throughout the conference, and he brightened the stage with his appearance on a panel with Stuart Hameroff, Julia Mossbridge, and Donald Hoffman discussing the definition of consciousness. Stapp posed a question regarding how the Hameroff/Penrose microtubules theory can address the matter that when a “Bing!” occurs in which spontaneous collapse occurs in an experience, there can be times when there is a conscious experience, yet there is no history, which appears to be a problem with their theory. Stapp cited William James’ Harvard lectures stating that without memories of the past, we wouldn’t have history.

Seán Ó Nualláin

Seán Ó Nualláin‘s talk referenced ideas of Gurdjieff and Pierre Teilhard de Chardin while describing the importance of voluntary will in directing consciousness, and “One Magisterium.” Ó Nualláin’s illuminated the distinction between exogenous, automatic attention we don’t consciously control, and endogenous attention that we do. There exists an Archimedean point from where we can step outside and see the self as composed of simple elements, and by which we can observe mind as pure consciousness, observing self from one configuration to another. We can reparse Nature, asking, “What can I know? What can I hope for? What am I?” As we look more closely at we know for sure to be true, and see entangled realities between symbols and metabolism, the best conceptualizations lie beyond 1st and 2nd order tensors constrained by limitations of linear models to chaotic dynamics and 4th order tensor conceptualizations.

Justin Riddle presented his Tri-World model that brings mind-body-spirit complementarity into our view of quantum-digital-fractal computers. Quantum characteristics of superposition of states, wave function collapse upon measurement, and entanglement also can be fitted to this mind-body-spirit triumvirate. Riddle described how neural oscillations come in bursts of neural spiking, with windows of coherence, as part of an oscillating mind in which some neurons become “hyper neurons” and only operate together. We see signs of levels of oscillation in our mind in Theta brain waves oscillating at a rate of five times per second of perceptual awareness, Delta brain waves oscillating at a rate of two times per second for actions and decisions, and Alpha brain waves oscillating at one time per ten seconds for attention associated with the Default Mode Network of the brain, forgiveness and meditation.

Zoran Josipovic talked about “The Unified Context of Consciousness,” in which studies show that when people are taught love and compassion, their brain wave states change in positive ways that reduce epileptic hypersynchrony, and provide people with pervasive sense of having an awareness of being aware.

Bernard Kastrap set the stage for talking about Non-duality and Panpsychism by pointing out that there is experience–aka: behavior of That Which Experiences–and there is That Which Experiences (TWE). A second person perspective emerges through dissociation when one’s psyche creates an “alter” consisting of illusory islands of local perception, with sense perception occurring at boundaries. “Cosmic mind has Dissociative Identity Disorder,” says Kastrap, adding that the error of panpsychists is in thinking of of mind as fragmented. When we assume structure of the behavior of consciousness to be that of consciousness itself, we see that a non-dual perspective does not make this mistake–“The water doesn’t derive its structure from ripples.” Kastrap asserts that Artificial sentience (AI) assumes panpsychism, assuming matter is fragmented and complex minds would be created from the bottom up. “The quest to create a sentient being is a quest to induce dissociation in the cosmic mind,” adds Kastrap, stating that the inner life of each living being is a dissociated alter of One.

Stephan Pollaine shared evidence of reincarnation, ghosts, and other examples illustrating the illusory nature of ego self. We can explore consciousness subjectively with meditation, breath work, prayer, fasting, service, and guidance from a teacher or shaman.

Edward Frenkel gave a talk about “Cartesianism as the Effect of Our Collective Childhood Trauma,” in which he described how much of our suffering comes from fear of death, and bottling up emotions from our childhood. Cartesianism is a process by which we accept representations as being real, thus confusing representations with experiences. With Ray Kurzweil now working at Google, with his eyes on the prize of somehow creating an avatar of his deceased father from memories and photos, it’s clear to Frenkel that when our inner child is hurt, we create stories as defense mechanisms. Frenkel adds, “The pain is finite, and we are infinite. Trust me. I’m a mathematician.” Frenkel encourages scientists to share their personal experiences, and experience the kind of breakthrough he had on stage at last year’s SAND in the USA in which, after dealing with tremendous inner doubts and concerns about ruining his reputation by speaking at SAND, he had an awareness epiphany while being taped for a YouTube video giving his talk and his powerpoint slideshow didn’t work–so he spoke from his heart. Frenkel ended his talk with a quote from Lewis Mumford’s “The Myth of the Machine,” “But for those of us who have thrown off the myth of the machine, the next move is ours: for the gates of the technocratic prison will open automatically, despite their rusty ancient hinges, as soon as we choose to walk out.”

Glenn Aparicio Parry

There were many more talks and events than I was able to attend this year, but I heard wonderful buzz about presentations given by: Juan Acosta, Duane Elgin, Stephen LaBerge, Maria Syldona, Adam Bucko, Matthew Wright, Sky Nelson, Mauro Zappaterra, Mikey Siegel, Karla Galdamez, Wolfgang Baer, Peter Russell, Glenn Aparicio Parry, Robert Thurman, Joan Tolifson, Samantha Sweetwater, and Charles Eisenstein. One of the headliners at this conference was Deepak Chopra, who frequented the main stage and halls over the course of the conference, along with the husband-wife founders of Science and Nonduality, Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo.

I will be following this post with several more posts featuring four wonderful presenters I had the privilege to interview at SAND this year: Glenn Aparicio Parry, Joan Tolifson, Julia Mossbridge, and Seán Ó Nualláin, along the lines of the mini interview I conducted with Menas Kafatos included here.

Menas Kafatos

What Menas Kafatos Knows for Sure 

Dr. Menas Kafatos is the Fletcher Jones Endowed professor of Computational Physics and the Director of the Center of Excellence at Chapman University, and he has published numerous books and articles. Kafatos is one of the five Science and NonDuality SAND conference board members, and he started a talk at SAND with an experiential breathing meditation, to provide the audience with the feeling of non-duality, and an appreciation for being in a state of receptive witnessing awareness to how we exist in-between inhalation and exhalation, with each breath. Kafatos pointed out, “Consciousness is not a problem that needs to be solved,” and explained that much like breathing, consciousness just is. Kafatos proceeded to outline a framework for understanding reality, with its three qualities of: (1) Integrated polarity (complementarity), (2) Correspondence (recursion), and (3) Creative interactivity (process).

For any serious seeker and scholar in the field of consciousness who’s been attending conferences for the past 17 years like I have, many SAND speakers will be familiar. Yet amidst familiar topics and faces, I share the sentiment Menas Kafatos expressed in his SAND talk when he said, “You don’t have to come to conferences. We come so we can be together!”  

I was honored to meet with Kafatos and ask him what he feels he knows for sure that most people aren’t aware of, that could greatly benefit the world. And much to my delight, Menas truly sparkled as he contemplated an answer to my query, as you can see in his response to my question in this YouTube video.

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Cynthia Sue Larson is the best-selling author of six books, including Quantum Jumps. Cynthia has a degree in Physics from UC Berkeley, and hosts Living the Quantum Dream on the DreamVisions7 radio network. She discusses consciousness and quantum physics on numerous shows including the History Channel, Coast to Coast AM, the BBC and One World with Deepak Chopra. You can subscribe to Cynthia’s free monthly ezine at: http://www.RealityShifters.com

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Cynthia Sue Larson Interviews Stanley Krippner

Dr. Stanley Krippner with Cynthia Sue Larson

I recently had the pleasure to chat with Dr. Stanley Krippner about quantum logic, consciousness, and dreams. Dr. Krippner is a professor of psychology at Saybrook University, and author, editor, and co-author of numerous books including:  “The Voice of Rolling Thunder,” “Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder,” and many others.

I first met Stanley Krippner about ten years ago at the International Conference on the Study of Shamanism and Alternative Modes of Healing, where we’ve both given presentations. I’ve long been deeply impressed with the insights Stanley shares, such as I reported in the September 2005 issue of RealityShifters, in which I mentioned some fascinating aspects of his work:

 Stanley Krippner presented a thought-provoking paper at this year’s shamanism conference that summarized research findings between the differences in the dreams of schizophrenics and non-schizophrenics. Imagery in schizophrenic dreams is quite different than imagery in shamanic dreams and visions; schizophrenic dreams are more apathetic, banal, and low-energy with few clear settings or distinct outcomes. I am intrigued to note that one of the biggest differences between shamanic and schizophrenic dreams appears to be that of lucidity… that what the shaman knows for sure is something the schizophrenic has not noticed. The shaman maintains a constant sense of awareness and focus that brings greater meaning to peoples’ lives.
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CYNTHIA: Thanks so much for meeting to talk with me today! I’d love to know your thoughts about the connection between quantum physics, consciousness, and dreams.

STANLEY: Montague Ullman was doing just what you’re telling me—applying quantum physics to dreaming. Especially to psychic dreaming. And he was working on that before he died. I’ve not seen the manuscript of his incomplete book, but you can get some information from an interview he did with Mark Schroll.

CYNTHIA:  Wonderful!

STANLEY: Now in the sense that I see it, it’s especially true of precognitive dreams—dreams about the future, because there will be several possible futures that the dreamer could dream about. And the psychic dreamer knows which one to dream about, so this is where the observational effect comes in. And this is why some people are able to do this and some people aren’t. Some people have the talent to unconsciously select the possible future that indeed comes true. And I wrote an article about the probable future years ago, before I knew anything about quantum physics. But in that article, I pointed out how so many dreams about the future are pliable. In other words, once the dreamer knows about what might takes place, the dreamer can make a change to prevent something disastrous from happening.

CYNTHIA: So you’re saying this happens frequently.

STANLEY: This happens frequently, yes. There’s been a study on this, years ago, by Louisa Rhine. If I remember the statistics, whenever there was a portending disaster, the dreamer was able to prevent the disaster in about three out of four occasions, which was a lot. And there was another evidence indicating that the disaster might happen, to know that this was something that was not just being made up.

CYNTHIA: Right. That would be the challenging thing, to know if it didn’t happen, would it have happened, of course.

STANLEY: One case I do remember was a woman who had a dream about a light fixture falling on her baby’s crib, killing the baby at exactly two o’clock in the morning. So she woke up and took the baby into the bed with her and husband. He was very dismissive, saying, “Oh, it’s just a dream. You were worried—you’re concerned.” But later that night, at two o’clock in the morning, this light fixture did fall into the baby’s crib.

CYNTHIA: Wow. And that’s something they would hear, and it would wake them up if they were asleep.

STANLEY: Yes, if they were telling the truth about this account, there you have an example of where the likely future had changed by human volition. 

CYNTHIA: Right.

STANLEY: Now, your feeling that dreams show us the real nature of reality is something that’s shared by many indigenous groups around the world.

CYNTHIA: Yes. What I’m suspecting is that’s the best way to look at the quantum paradigm that we’re trying to understand. I think that one of the best ways to look at it is as if everything really is a dream, basically. As you know, we can’t even agree on what consciousness is to begin with. But I’m expecting that we’re making progress.

STANLEY: Consciousness is anything you define it as. I tell people instead of waiting, just take any definition that you like, and use that, and run with it! So I don’t think the issue is that we don’t know what consciousness is. The issue is we don’t have a consensus on what consciousness is. Far from it.

CYNTHIA: We recognize it when we see it, but we don’t know how to explain it or describe it fully, so that everyone agrees.

STANLEY: That’s the so-called “hard problem,” which many people don’t think exists.

CYNTHIA: How about yourself?

STANLEY: Oh, yes! I’m working with a team of people who are interested in doing a documentary on the hard problem. Are you familiar with the new movie, The Imitation Game?

CYNTHIA: Yes.

STANLEY: Did you know that the protagonist had written about telepathy?

CYNTHIA: No. Wow! In real life?

STANLEY: In real life. It was Henry Stapp who picked up on that essay, and carried it a step further, in a classic article which came out in about 1972. So you might ask Henry for the article that builds on Turing’s notion of telepathy. It came out in a journal called Mind, as I recall. I have a copy of it. And it’s I think still very timely. Henry was so far ahead of his time.

CYNTHIA: Wow! So Henry Stapp wrote an article and published it…

STANLEY: Yes, based on Turing’s original article. Turing was saying, well, if telepathy exists, then it would proceed this way and that way. And so then what Henry did was to take that and show, yes, this is how it would proceed. And he was able to fill in the gap that Turing had no way of knowing about.

CYNTHIA: That’s quite useful! I appreciate the way that Henry Stapp looks at the Von Neumann cut, focusing attention on finding the place where consciousness occurs. I think of it as levels of consciousness, actually. So I agree with that. But at the same time, I’m also quite interested in the multiverse concepts and ideas, because they match the feeling of how it feels when you jump into another world.

STANLEY: They do, yes.

CYNTHIA: And you can jump in, and jump out. You can see things go back and forth, which is quite interesting to me. That’s why I want to talk to people who have experienced them, rather than people who say that you can’t do it. I’d rather trade notes with other people who’ve been there, on the SS Quantum Beagle, as we observe things from the deck, and share our notes. And then when it comes to levels of consciousness, I find that’s where some of the most interesting phenomena occurs, when you meditate a lot. I do martial arts, and I meditate a lot.

STANLEY: Keep doing both!

CYNTHIA: I think it helps. When you do martial arts, you’re honing your entire system and your ability to focus attention. I can move my consciousness and sort of expand it out. Like when I first met Eva Herr at the Portland airport and without any tips from her walked away from her to pick up her unmarked suitcase that she had not told me anything about, I was what you might call entangled with or coherent with the entire system of me and Eva Herr—and it felt very much like a dream. What it felt like to me was, “Now it’s time to go–wave at Eva. Now go this way. Now walk that way. Pick up that bag that is just now dropping onto the baggage claim carousel at the same moment you arrive. Now look at Eva and gesture to this bag to make sure it is hers.” It was her bag, and her jaw just about hit the floor, as she’d been on her cell phone that whole time, and had not given me any information about her luggage, nor was it tagged. It just felt like I was ‘in the zone’–like what athletes experience. So it wasn’t so much precognition so much as, “Here we go! This is what we’re doing.” I think a lot of people do this, and they don’t know that they’re doing it. It goes unrecognized quite a lot. And when we expand our consciousness, then you can have an effect on things like the weather, I believe. On a lot of things. A lot more than people recognize, even.

STANLEY: Two years ago I came out with the book about Rolling Thunder, the native American medicine man. I did it with his grandson, who’s also interested in quantum physics, and there are several documented instances where Rolling Thunder seemed to have an effect on the weather.

CYNTHIA: Yes, exactly! That sounds like a great book! I’ve also experienced other changes. Just on the flight to New York, we hit turbulence. The plane was just “bah-duh-duh-duh-duh” So I spread my consciousness to the plane, and the weather, and everything became all smooth. Smooth! Then my friend next to me started talking to me, and I turned and I looked at her, and it went back to “bah-duh-duh-duh-duh,” so I said, “Excuse me—I need to meditate.”

STANLEY: Really! I’m going to have to try that when I’m on a turbulent flight.

CYNTHIA: I think we often think we are the bodies that we’re in; we’re not the bodies that we’re in.

STANLEY: This is another native American concept—the concept of the “long body.” The body does not end with our skin—it extends into time, into space, and into other people.

CYNTHIA: Yes!

STANLEY: William Roll wrote a whole series of articles about the long body.

CYNTHIA: That’s what I would call levels of consciousness; you can expand it, you can bring it in, you can direct it.

STANLEY: Now getting back to dreams, have you read Fred Alan Wolf’s book about dreams?

CYNTHIA: Yes, it’s quite excellent.

STANLEY: Yes, I like his book about “The Dreaming Universe,” very much.

CYNTHIA: It’s one of my favorites!

STANLEY: I have an article coming out in a European newsletter, “Transpersonal Transformative Experiences,” and I have a whole series of examples past and present TTEs.

CYNTHIA: That sounds excellent.

STANLEY: There are two types of Transpersonal Transformative Experiences. One is the spiritual, and one is the secular. In both of them, they’re transpersonal, because the person goes beyond their usual self identity. And in spiritual experiences, it’s (vertical). They go up to the upper world, and go down to the lower world, and they encounter entities or beings or energies or forces that are not part of their customary world or identity. Whereas in the secular experience, that’s horizontal. People go to Nature. They become involved with other people in a group movement. And again, they transcend their ordinary identity in sort of a group consciousness or a version of their consciousness with Nature, and that’s all observable entities and observable objects, which is why it’s horizontal. But either one can transform a person.

CYNTHIA: Yes, they can.

STANLEY: I’m going to do another version of that on the east coast. I just signed the agreement today, for the Academy of Spirituality and Consciousness Research. You should look at their website—very interesting group. And that’s happening right after the International Association for the Study of Dreams.

CYNTHIA: I’d love to ask you one last question: What would be the one thing that you would like people to be aware of with regard to everything that you’ve done, and all of your work?

STANLEY: Interconnectedness. If people see how we’re all interconnected and connected with Nature, we wouldn’t have an environmental crisis, we wouldn’t have two dozen wars all over the world. We’d honor the rest of Nature and the rest of humanity, because we’d know that those are parts of ourselves. So that’s an easy question.

CYNTHIA: Getting to the place of how we can do that is the hard problem.

STANLEY: What you’re doing, with books like yours, helps raise peoples’ consciousness. And you don’t have to have everybody agreeing with this. A small group of people who want to make change is enough to get the ball rolling.

CYNTHIA: That’s right.

STANLEY: Have you heard of Stephen Schwartz?

CYNTHIA:  Stephen Schwartz—that sounds very familiar.

STANLEY: He has written several books. He has a new book coming out, “Eight Rules for Changing the World.” He gives many examples of how small groups of people in very peaceful ways can make major changes in the world, or parts of it, simply by following these eight rules.

CYNTHIA: Nice!

STANLEY: His book isn’t out yet, but it will be available on amazon.com.

CYNTHIA: OK. Thank you so very much!

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Dr. Stanley Krippner 
http://stanleykrippner.weebly.com/

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Cynthia Sue Larson is the best-selling author of six books, including Quantum Jumps. Cynthia has a degree in Physics from UC Berkeley, and discusses consciousness and quantum physics on numerous shows including the History Channel, Coast to Coast AM, and BBC. You can subscribe to Cynthia’s free monthly ezine at: http://www.RealityShifters.com

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